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| Moi IP: 66.215.188.48 1/16/2006 13:44:20 |
 Subject: Kim Is ConfusedMessage: Hello again, Kim. Kim, I applaud your effort to bring people to healthier nails. Have you ever gone to a doctor, a licensed doctor, and thought to youself you'd never go back to that quack? That is my point regarding a license. It's a piece of paper that says you completed some minimum requirement. It does NOT mean you're all knowing, the best at what you do or even good at what you do. And like I said before, congratulations on getting yours. However, that piece of paper does not give you the right to insinuate that those of us using this product are, again, liars, ignorant or gullible. In fact, the product does not wash off. It penetrates the nails and sheilds them. Yes, you do have to reapply the product for continued results but not after every hand washing. Whether or not it meets with your philosophy on what should or shouldn't work means nothing because this product does exactly what they say it does. I had used many 'high end' products that did nothing but damage my wallet. NGF is so basic, so easy to use and just makes sense because of the ingredients. Why does water run off sheeps wool? Anyway, we are on the same side here and I wish you great success in helping people achieve healthier nails. But rather than debate this here on the board where neither side can really 'prove' their point, try the product then make your observations. |
| Kim IP: 71.209.82.205 1/16/2006 14:00:59 | RE: Kim Is Confused Message: I never once called names, said anyone was ignorant or anything remotely close...all I did was ask a few simple questions and this entire topic turns into a nitemare. Unfortunately I do know the ingredients. Lanolin=wax,helps to repell water but must be reapplied Oxyquinolin=anticeptic ???? Beeswax=more wax aromatic=crude oil wintergreen=even more oil mustard=oh my...more oil petrolatum=petrolium jelly To my knowledge most wax will stay on the surface because the molecules are to large to penetrate into the skin. |
| Barbara Wheeler IP: 66.82.9.71 1/16/2006 14:06:43 | RE: Kim Is Confused Message: One other thought here, if you do decide to use the product, please know, it is NOT INSTANT GRADIFICATION! It MUST be used as per the instructions and it takes the full 30 days for the benefits to begin. Though the cuticles realize an almost immediate benefit, the nails are another story. If you spend money on the product and DON'T use it then you have SURELY wasted your money. Worse yet you would tell everyone how it failed to work, which would be an out right lie, because you did not even give it the opportunity to work. But no one would know you were not using the product properly but you. So that said, just do the research you are so big on and find the FACTS! I am not attempting to be rude, though I am certain at this point it appears that way, and if it comes off that way I sincerely apologize, but I KNOW my product, and I KNOW what it WILL do. I also KNOW what will benefit the natural nail and what I have tried previously to obtain the results that are in FACT achieved with my product line. Besides if your argument is that the product washes off, at least I am not applying another chemical to rid myself of it. And polish is not an ongoing never ending ONE SHOT APPLICATION either. So that is not even a good point to argue here! |
| Barbara Wheeler IP: 66.82.9.71 1/16/2006 14:14:32 | RE: Kim Is Confused Message: AGAIN, You are missing the point of so many of the ingredients! Tell me please how any of these products do nothing for the nails....Better still, tell me how other products DO do remarkable things for the nails! I will gladly confirm your information for myself, and see if they would be of benefit to the formula. Thus far the formula is pretty remarkable. You are not asking simple questions, I actually am coming to the realization that you are here trolling... YOU SAY: "I never once called names, said anyone was ignorant or anything remotely close...all I did was ask a few simple questions and this entire topic turns into a nitemare." You may not have the where with all to out right say what you mean, and mean what you say, but the implications are readily apparent.... |
| Moi IP: 66.215.188.48 1/16/2006 14:25:00 | RE: Kim Is Confused Message: Kim, I don't see this turning into a nightmare, quite the contrary. You're as passionate about your position as I am about mine. I am not a chemist, not a technician of any kind, though I am licensed to care for desert tortoises but that's beside the point. I only know that for whatever the reason, this works where nothing else did. Part of my disdain for people who tout their licenses comes from going to supposedly licensed techs. The last time I went for an acrylic fill the pain was so bad I was in tears. Did the technician suggest that perhaps I shouldn't get them done? No, she offered to apply some kind of topical numbing agent so she could continue and I would feel no pain. I can only imagine the pain I would have had to endure once that agent wore off! That tech should be fired, but on the bright side that whole experience prompted me to remove the acrylics and go looking for something that would work to help make my own nails healthier. THIS product works. I don't care if the ingredients are pixie weed and fairy dust... it works. And it has worked for many ladies who are in the same boat I am. Perhaps it's the ratio of the ingredients in this product that produce the magic, I don't know. I only know it works. Are you planning on offering a full salon, including acrylics, etc, or just natural products? |
| Barbara Wheeler IP: 66.82.9.71 1/16/2006 14:33:16 |  RE: Kim Is ConfusedMessage: HERE KIM, You want to learn something learn this! Lanolin: A natural extract of sheep wool used as a moisturizer. IT is rarely used in pure form. Obtained from the wax found on sheep's wool, it is an excellent emollient, skin lubricant and protectant, capable of absorbing water in an amount equal to 50% of its weight. It is rich in cholesterol and other skin-friendly sterols. Wintergreen: Medicinal & Aromatherapy use: "*Antiseptic*", a diuretic, stimulant, emenagogue and anti- rheumatic. It is very useful in many rheumatic conditions for gout and stiffness due to old age. It also revitalizes and gives energy following muscular pains, particularly good for athletes for instance. Petrolatum: Used in creams, it softens and soothes skin. Forms a film to prevent moisture loss. Oxyquinoline: Modern antiseptic wound dressing ointment combining the bacteriostatic action of oxyquinolin with the absorbing properties of lanolin, menthol & essential oils ... Mustard oil: The term mustard oil is used for two different oils that are made from mustard seeds: * a fatty oil resulting from pressing the seeds, * an essential oil resulting from grinding the seeds, mixing them with water, and extracting the resulting volatile oil by distillation. Beeswax: Beeswax is taken from the hive, where it is used to secure the walls of the honeycomb. It is used in creams and lotions to help emulsify oil and water so they don't separate in the finished product. It is particularly effective at this job when combined with borax. Products containing beeswax form an effective barrier, protecting the skin for harsh environmental conditions. Aromatics: In chemistry, an aromatic molecule is one in which electrons are free to cycle around circular arrangements of atoms, which are alternately singly and doubly bonded to one another. (More properly, these bonds may be seen as a hybrid of a single bond and a double bond, each bond in the ring being identical to every other.) This commonly seen model of aromatic rings was developed by Friedrich August Kekulé von Stradonitz. ... |
| cheryl IP: 206.159.161.156 1/16/2006 15:09:25 | RE: Kim Is Confused Message: kim, we are all very protective of this site and this product. it has worked for so many of us, when we were at the end of our ropes with so many of the same problems. when you continue to ask the same questions over and over we become suspicious. we are all intelligent women here and we take offense at being made to feel less than that even if it was totally unintentional. when you have customers that buy the product time and time again,as barbara does, worldwide, and feel this strongly about the effectiveness of using these products, what more do you want? |
| Barbara Wheeler IP: 66.82.9.89 1/16/2006 15:18:40 | RE: Kim Is Confused Message: And by the way you left out Sodium Barate: Used in cosmetics as an emulsifier, preservative and detergent builder. Kim I am honestly trying to understand you here. I hope this exchange will open your eyes to the fact that you can not say you are part of the answer to a problem, (the false nails industry)and then copy a list of my ingredients with a bunch of question marks by them. If you are informed, or at the very least, making the attempt to be informed, then you should not just throw out the baby with the bath water! If you are really looking for answers, then you have them. Now what you do with them is another matter, and entirely up to you! My Mum used to tell me, "A hard head makes for a soft bottom!" Don't be so hard headed, please listen to the information offered here and I honestly believe it WILL be of benefit to you, and in turn benefit your clients. And I know I could do with a course in tact and diplomacy, but I have not found time for such a beneficial class. So please try to over look my crude methods and accept the information. Research what I am telling you. And by that I don't mean for you to just get someone to confirm or deny what I am telling you here. Find out for your self. Do REAL research with medical data etc. You will find the things I am putting forth here are facts. |
| Lynnie IP: 69.207.171.31 1/16/2006 15:22:25 | RE: Kim Is Confused Message: Kim - I researched oxyquinoline pretty thoroughly back when I first ordered the product. I believe it also contains anti-fungal properties. When we we're talking nails, that certainly is a useful ingredient. Cheryl probably researched this as well because we are ingredient hounds. You seem pretty steadfast in your stance. Aren't you just the teensiest bit curious to try it? ALL DAY, my BARE nails feel like I have just applied some sort of hand lotion. You know that moist feeling? Yet they aren't all thin and bendy, despite the moisture. I've never been able to be bare-nailed without peeling. Haven't had a peel in 6 weeks, despite mega holiday dishwashing. Nor has the stress of filing (using the Wonderstone) ever caused the layers of my nail to separate. When I've worn polishes, however, I am hesitant to file nails because of this dynamic. A nail that I thought healthy would separate within a day. That's just my testimonial, Kim. Take it for what it's worth. I would imagine that alot of people who poo-pooed Airborne (herbal auto-immune system booster) when it hit the shelves, now stock their own medicine cabinet. |
| Moi IP: 66.215.188.48 1/16/2006 15:23:51 | RE: Kim Is Confused Message: Thanks for that list of products, Barb. I am not surprised at all to read about the wintergreen being helpful with rheumatic conditions. I remember one of the ladies here posting that maybe it was just her imagination but her arthritis seemed to be less painful in her fingers after using your product for awhile. She had thought that perhaps the action of rubbing in and of itself had caused the reduction in pain but now I wonder if perhaps it had more to do with that ingredient? |
| Lynnie IP: 69.207.171.31 1/16/2006 15:27:44 | RE: Kim Is Confused Message: That's me, Moi, with the arthritis. I don't know if it could be the wintergreen. Actually, products that contain things like wintergreen or hot peppers (as in Capesin ointment) are what they call counter-irritants. Your nervous system redirects the pain. Tricky, huh? Anyway, it could be that plus the action of exercising with the rubbing. After that lousy virus with rheumatoid arthritic complications last year, my hands and fingers are finally back to normal. It's not coincidence because they even bothered me through Summer. |
| Lorraine IP: 142.179.227.254 1/16/2006 15:34:24 | RE: Kim Is Confused Message: I, too, hold a licence, but mine is in nursing. I have been using NGF since December 14th, and I can vouch that it works. The best research is to try it. |
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