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Kim
IP: 71.209.82.205
1/12/2006
22:20:50 |
 Subject: I'm Confused
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After reading through some of these posts about the product, most from the post from Kristy, I'm somewhat confused. I'm curoius to know why a person cannot wear polish while using this cream? what part of the nail does this cream nourish? Where exactly do you apply the cream, how much of the cream is used and how often?
Let me offer my opinion as a licensed nail tech. I believe in nourishing from the matrix, where your new nail is forming. I also believe in wearing a base coat, along with a glaze (something more sheer) or a polish with a top coat to add a layer or so of protection to the natural nail. Since our nails are made of 3 thin layers we need all the protection we can get. The product that I currently use is applied with or without polish and you achieve the same results. Although this is not a miracle cuticle cream, it does take a good 3-6 months for the nail to completely grow out, then you'll start to see results. I also believe in using a polishing stone that is made of (crystal aluminum oxide) that seals the free edge of the nail so that air and moisture cannot get in between the 3 layers which cause splitting & peeling. Using this stone you'll see a lot less splitting and peeling and the nails will not feel rough and jagged if you use this each and every time you clip or file on the nails.
Respectfully...
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Barbara Wheeler
IP: 66.82.9.76
1/13/2006
09:21:39 | RE: I'm Confused
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Kim,
Use just a little dab, it has a cumulative effect, so a little goes a long way.
For the first 30 days, to get total coverage of the nails, cuticles, and matrix, (that little area at the base of the nails, or moon are) apply the formula to the surface of the natural nails. This will allow the formula to "soak" into the the nails fully and give them the fullest benefits of the moisture protection and balancing effects.
The formula has a better shot at jump starting the growth process this way. It helps to seal in the necessary natural moisture and block out excessive moisture that will weaken the nail structure.
Regardless of weather you wear polish or not, apply the formula to the entire surface of the nail, and cuticles. Concentrate on rubbing it into the matrix to allow full penetration so that the cell stimulation will be full achieved. If you rub it into the matrix, the mere act of stimulating the cells at the matrix is beneficial. But the formula continues the cell stimulation long after the rubbing activity is completed.
Protection is exactly what the formula gives, WITHOUT the drying effects of the polishes, lacquers, top coats, glazes, what every you want to call them. These products dry on the nails, therefor they dry out the nails! It is just that simple.
I am a firm believer in using one product at the time. This way, you will give the product the fullest, clearest chance of achieving the desired results. It's sort of like mixing prescriptions that are for the same illness. One could counter act the benefits of another and sometimes create problems, where there would not have been problems. I hope this makes sense to you.
You just need to know definitively, if a product is in fact doing the job. But when you are using a mixture of products, there is NO clear way to know which product is the product that is actually of TRUE benefit.
The Wonderstone file DOES seal the tip of the nails to prevent the loss of the oils and nutrients, and prevents that peeling, layering or flaking effect. It is a natural stone, that you soak in water through out the process. It does not clog the nails layer with anything, it SEALS them naturally. And clipping the nails will in fact create little "stress fractures", weakening the structure.
I hope this all makes sense to you, if I did not answer the question fully, please let me know.
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Kim
IP: 71.209.82.205
1/16/2006
11:20:38 | RE: I'm Confused
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I agree with the fact that you need the moisture in and around the matrix area, however, it's only going to help at the matrix because that's where your new nail is forming although it will help to moisturize the cuticles. I believe it's the moisture along with the rubbing (circulation) that allows the nails to grow.
Furthermore,not all polishes have a drying effect on the nails. If the product contains a Formaldehyde then it will dry out the nails. So choose your polishes carefully.
Last but not least, why would you wet the Wonderstone? Water is an enemy to the nails because water strips the moisture from the nails. When I use my stone I use it dry because it acts as a file, in fact, I recommend that all my clients use this tool in place of an emery board and to use it any time they clip on the nail. I also let them know when they use this stone to push hard enough that you see a fine white powder fall, that's an indiction that you've sealed the free edge. It has worked this way very effectively.
Are you a licensed nail tech? Did you create this product? And if you did, what made you feel that this product was necessary?
Respectfully...
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cheryl
IP: 206.159.161.156
1/16/2006
11:45:11 | RE: I'm Confused
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i never found a polish that didn't dry my nails out. chemicals are chemicals, whether you call them formaldehyde, nitrocellulose, or toulene. god knows, i looked forever and wasted money in my search. the few times when i've used my wonderstone dry, when i didn't have access to water, it shredded the edge of my nails. even the ones i bought before i found the one from this site all said to wet them first. as a consumer, i feel this product was necessary in order to have healthy, vital, nails that i finally could look down and be proud of. my cuticles are supple and healthy, my nails grow strongly and quickly and the moisture content of my nail bed is apparent everytime i wash my hands. i and a lot of barbara's customers have seen amazing results from using these products. barbara is not a nail tech and neither are most of us, but we are something even more qualified and more important, consumers who have finally found a product that actually does what it claims.
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Barbara Wheeler
IP: 69.19.14.15
1/16/2006
12:15:16 | RE: I'm Confused
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Respectfully,
I am NOT a nail tech. What ever that really means.
Kim you are missing the point here. You need moisture BALANCE! Protection from excessive amounts that weaken the structure, while maintaining the proper balance if moisture in the nails to maintain health and proper hydration. It is that simple.
The Growth Formula provides that "barrier", NO POLISH IS NECESSARY, and no polish will do that! They are protected with out any chemicals AT ALL!
The cuticles are being hydrated, the nails are being hydrated and balanced and protected. I don't understand what you don't understand about it.
Our product doesn't stop stimulation of the cells when you stop rubbing the formula in......The product has a cumulative effect.
If you want to wear polish, PLEASE, wear polish..Your decision.
If I am reading this wrong I apologize in advance but are you TRYING TO BE INSULTING with your post:
"Are you a licensed nail tech? Did you create this product? And if you did, what made you feel that this product was necessary?"
The product is necessary because the fake nail industry has fed women a load of CRAP, LIES, and MEDICAL DIFFICULTIES LONG ENOUGH.
I am providing an alternative to the garbage on the market...If you don't want to use the product, don't use the product...But until you do don't try to make out that it wont or can't be of benefit....That IS insulting, and I do NOT appreciate it in the least.
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Kim
IP: 71.209.82.205
1/16/2006
12:17:36 | RE: I'm Confused
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Cheryl,
What is the stone made from? The stone that I use, (Polishing Stone)could never "shred" the free edge, no matter how hard you filed. Washing dishes, folding laundry, paper all strip our nails of moisture. Without sealing the free edge properly you'll allow air and moisture to get into the 3 layers of nail and the result is splitting and peeling. (By sealing the free edge with a wet stone you've allowed moisture to get into those 3 layers) Of course, as we age our bodies don't produce the oils that they once did when we were younger so naturally our hair, skin and yes, even our nails dry out too. So you must do things to counter act the daily activties that are unavoidable.
Since you've had bad experiences with many nail polishes I would imagine that you wear nothing on the nail. So what protects your nails from the harsh environment? No cream alone can protect the nail...sorry.
I'm glad that you are pleased with this product, however, as a licensed nail technician I too have done my homework. I know from experience, and trial and error that base coats and polishes help to further protect the nail by adding additional layers of support and protection.
The comments and questions that I make are not meant to be rude...I'm doing more homework! It's a never-ending process.
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Moi
IP: 66.215.188.48
1/16/2006
12:33:57 | RE: I'm Confused
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Kim,
You wear your 'nail technician license' like a badge of honor. Congratulations on going to school and earning it, but please, it's a piece of paper that says you completed some minimum requirements to get it. It doesn't mean you know all there is to know. For years I went to 'licensed' nail technicians who did nothing but tear up my nails.
Soooooo, that said - instead of continually trying to tell us that the results we are seeing are just not possible, and in the interest of furthering your education as you say you are doing, order the product and try it for yourself. Beyond that, you're calling us liars, ignorant and gullible and I am none of those things.
Barb, feel free to remove my post if you find it offensive.
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fabulousNATURALnails
IP: 161.184.24.100
1/16/2006
12:37:29 |  RE: I'm Confused
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With all due respect Kim, it seems you want to be a trouble maker here.
I imagine you have plenty of other resources that would validate your opinions about doing nails differently than the regimen that we do, using the NGF products.
Call us all crazy, but we LOVE our natural nails! And we love our nail techs, too, because she is us!!!!!!
(works for free . . . HaHaHaHa!!!)
*typing with fabulous, healthy, smoothly wonderstoned nails*
lalalalalalalala!!! :^ )
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Kim
IP: 71.209.82.205
1/16/2006
12:58:21 | RE: I'm Confused
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Being a Nail Technician means a great deal. It means that an individual has been educated on how to perform manicures, pedicures, artificial nails, etc. A nail technician can also recognize nail disorders, fungus, dryness, brittle nails, yellow nails (all unhealthy) and so forth. And whether this is due to medications, diet, aging or the fact that hands are in water, paperwork, etc. Education and being a professional in this field as well as research gives me the credentials to teach men and women on how to care for the NATURAL NAIL.
I never missed the point of MOISTURE! First and foremost is ALWAYS...HYDRATION. However, cuticle cream cannot, by itself, produce a healthy nail! Cuticle cream cannot heal a nail that has already grown out (it's dead). It can ONLY produce a healthy nail from the MATRIX.
Your product like others does wash off after repeatedly being in water,(dishes, laundry & paper)So yes, base coats and polish do help to protect the nail.
I wanted to know more about your background and education. How you came to know about this product. And after reading your introduction I realized that you're selling this product and your knowledge of the natural nail is limited.
How did you reach the conclusion that simple questions are "insulting"?
"Are you a licensed nail tech? Did you create this product? And if you did, what made you feel that this product was necessary?"
What is so insulting?
I'm always eager to learn.
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Barbara Wheeler
IP: 69.19.14.15
1/16/2006
12:59:31 | RE: I'm Confused
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The stones I use are mined in Turkey. They are very porous. And if you are in fact gathering data to benefit your career, then open your mind to the things that are tried and true.....
Do you know what lanolin is or what its purpose actually is?
It is a natural by-product from woolly little creatures like sheep! It is their natural protective barrier....It is pressed from the wool once the wool is sheered. Do a google and look at the realities of the protection it provides.
Lanolin is the base product in my formula! HELL-O!
Now that you have my juices flowing, all of this information is on my website. If you are actually researching, why the heck are you just asking these questions. Why are you not just finding the information then presenting NEW, and informed questions with regards to the care of the Natual Nail?
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Barbara Wheeler
IP: 69.19.14.15
1/16/2006
13:08:56 | RE: I'm Confused
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Kim,
I just did some research of my own here....You are deliberitely ignoring the facts....
I will spell it out...
The Natural Nails Growth Forumla is lanolin rich and provides a natural barrier. It has a cumulative effect, do you know what that means? It means the product will actually build in benefits. You will use it less over time.....
You use the product 2X daily for the first 30 days, then once daily...My product is NOT a "cuticle cream" though it benefits the cuticles in several ways. It does actually help to HEAL, it has other ingredients that benefit.....For crying out loud you don't even know the ingredients, so how can you say it doesn't benefit!!!! I'm sorry but until you know what YOU are talking about, your "license" does not entitle YOU to make snap judgements and question something you know nothing about....So if you want to really do some research then DO it but STOP with this foolishness!
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